Hi raymond Frantz, Thanks for bringing that up, I forgot that had happened.
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Any reason for my mother and I not to go back, this is one of them.
by Truth and Justice inhi to all, i have been away from the organization since the 1980's and as it seems, i haven't missed a thing.
i have seen a deterioration take place that is continually getting more dramatic than i have ever seen.
the thumbing down or the minimizing of spiritual food is reason enough that people are starving for something good.
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Any reason for my mother and I not to go back, this is one of them.
by Truth and Justice inhi to all, i have been away from the organization since the 1980's and as it seems, i haven't missed a thing.
i have seen a deterioration take place that is continually getting more dramatic than i have ever seen.
the thumbing down or the minimizing of spiritual food is reason enough that people are starving for something good.
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Hi 3rdgen, You're so correct about them judging others, so true.
My writing is not always the greatest. I may have not understood your phrase "my mother's daughter" says a lot to me.
The only phrases I had was "Mother gets a letter from her daughter" and "letter from your daughter" and "If I was to ask my sister."
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Any reason for my mother and I not to go back, this is one of them.
by Truth and Justice inhi to all, i have been away from the organization since the 1980's and as it seems, i haven't missed a thing.
i have seen a deterioration take place that is continually getting more dramatic than i have ever seen.
the thumbing down or the minimizing of spiritual food is reason enough that people are starving for something good.
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Hi Acluetofindtheuser, I always appreciate having proof or evidence for what I say and I apologize for not having any. The reason is that I had thrown the letter away about 5 years ago. But what I can say is by googling Dan Chp 11, you can pretty much take from the most popular site what it was saying. I don't mind if people want to speculate the culture and happenings of that time, they just should'nt promote it from a platform.
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Any reason for my mother and I not to go back, this is one of them.
by Truth and Justice inhi to all, i have been away from the organization since the 1980's and as it seems, i haven't missed a thing.
i have seen a deterioration take place that is continually getting more dramatic than i have ever seen.
the thumbing down or the minimizing of spiritual food is reason enough that people are starving for something good.
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Hi to all, I have been away from the organization since the 1980's and as it seems, I haven't missed a thing. I have seen a deterioration take place that is continually getting more dramatic than I have ever seen. The thumbing down or the minimizing of spiritual food is reason enough that people are starving for something good. Amos 8:11-12, spoke of a time when there would be "a famine, not for bread, and a thirst, not for water, but for hearing the words of Jehovah....they will keep roving about while searching for the word of Jehovah, but they will not find it." The information that is provided at the meetings is watered down, does not fortify or encourage one another, or information that is spoken with a different twist to fit their agenda, not the true meaning of the scriptures, and a lack of qualified teachers even to a point where they have lowered the bar so LOW to get young brothers to become elders.
But to the point of the title of my thread: My folks and I have been out since the 1980's, so as you know contact was very limited. Many years went by, and then my Mother gets a letter from her daughter. The first 8 lines were the usual "How's the weather?, and the weather here is not too bad." The rest of the letter amounting to 1 and 3/4 of another page was all about Daniel 11th chapter. (Now, my folks and I never minded at all talking about spiritual things. But to write a letter talking about spiritual things to a person who is not in the organization, being considered apostates, when were not, has always been unacceptable in the society's eyes). You would expect a letter from your daughter talking about the kids, what their up to and many other things, but no, it was 95% about Daniel 11th chapter. So, when my mother went to reading about half the letter, she shook her head, and started to have tears and handed me the letter and I read it. After I read it, I asked my mother "Did you come up with the same idea I did?" She nodded her head and said yes. (Apostacy) What happened was, she was mentioning things in the 11th chapter of Daniel that WERE NOT IN THE CHAPTER. So, to simplify the point, my sister was talking about names of people, the biography of the people, cities and such that were not even IN THE CHAPTER. I asked my mother, "Where would she get this information from, it's not even in the scriptures." Well, I googled Daniel Chapter 11, hit search, and all of sudden actual clips of her letter were almost word for word on some religious websites.
If I was to ask my sister "Where did you get this information about Daniel, the 11th chapter? Her comment to me would be that she learned it at the meetings, and I would say that it's not even in the scriptures. Her natural reply back would be that the "faithful slave is feeding us this spiritual food, and we need to listen to them, this is our everlasting life." THIS IS WHAT I CALL ACTUAL APOSTACY. What the Apostle Paul said in Acts 17: 3 "they were carefully examining the scriptures daily as to whether these things were so." I guess we'll just have to forget that scripture. Another scripture you can forget is in Rev 22:18-19, "If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; and to go further it mentions that if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy" then further trouble would befall him.
Has it come to the point that we need the INTERNET for spiritual food? I have been noticing that this is getting to be a BIG problem with the society. So, the brothers go to the Internet to get their talks up, that is sad. I am not discrediting the Internet, but what I am saying is that we need to be careful that it aligns with the scriptures, on the Internet you can have 1000's of different views on a particular scripture.
On an added note, my thoughts on all the new policy changes will not change the direction the society should go. Once the new changes have worn off, the unhappiness will come back. It's like being in prison where all you get is bread and water, and the prison makes an adjustment with food and says they will now be adding meat and desserts. It really doesn't change anything. Your still in prison.
I know many here can't make the decision to be free from the organization, but at some point people will have to realize where they're going. I choose not to be a member of an organization but rather just a plain Christian, to the best of my ability. And I wish you all Luck in your journeys. Oh no, I said Luck, thats right, I said Luck. That was a word we were not suppose to use, well thats just tough. Good luck to all.
Happy trails to all.....
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The Memorial and my thoughts.
by Truth and Justice inno matter what opinions you may have, the memorial is very important to us.
many are opposed to the way the organization performs the memorial because of restrictive rules as to who should partake.
as jesus said in scripture, "keep doing this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.
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No matter what opinions you may have, the Memorial is very important to us. Many are opposed to the way the organization performs the Memorial because of restrictive rules as to who should partake. As Jesus said in scripture, "Keep doing this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." (1 Cor 11: 25) So, it is a command that Christ gave. And the disturbing part is what is said in the outline of the Memorial talk, (if its still in the Outline, because I haven't been to a Hall in years), where they read the following verses 27-30 to make you think twice as to partaking, where it says "whoever eats the loaf and drinks the cup of the lord unworthily will be guilty respecting the body and the blood of the Lord," it goes on to talk about scrutinizing oneself,........"and many among you are weak and sickly, and quite a few are sleeping in death."
It is always good to scrutinize ourselves, and make sure that we do not celebrate the event in an unworthy way. But in the organization's thinking which has always been, those who partake should be those in the congregation with a good standing like good meeting attendance, going out in service, (which has been minimized now), Reg and special pioneers, the elites and GB, and those who work with them. And yet that was not who Jesus was referring to, the scripture speaks to us individually. It is a matter for each individual whether it is Paradise on earth life or the Heavenly life. There was NO differentiation between the two, HE said in scripture "Keep doing this in remembrance of me.
I had remembered one time when I use to attend Memorials, that it always seem to be an inquisitive thing to look around and see who was partaking, it was a curiosity for many. But it would go beyond that, as I remember individuals saying "Did you see that? Sister Weak partook last night, and she only puts in an average of 8 hours a month in service, plus she doesn't answer up at the meetings. I put in more hours than her every month." I have actually heard that. Thru out the time I had attended Memorials, I always heard certain ones critizing those who felt that their conscience and their relationship with God told them that they should partake.
WHO ARE THEY TO TELL GOD THAT A CERTAIN BROTHER OR SISTER IS NOT WORTHY OF PARTAKING?
My Mother and I are having a private Memorial at home in reading the scriptures about his death and things pertaining to this special event. Its all up to us what we decide to do. If I'm not mistaken, I believe Ray Franz wrote in his 4th book that he knew of many that had a private Memorial at their home. Many of them had a different view than the society, where many felt that their conscience could not go along with something that they felt was not being celebrated by the scripture. On a side note, I wonder how the witnesses will be dressed tonight, considering the new dress change.
Remember, its up to you what you decide, not them.
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Again, More confusion about the direction of the Watchtower Society
by Truth and Justice inhi friends, i have not been on this board in awhile, and i would like to get some thoughts from some of you.
i have noticed a change within my 4 siblings in approximately the last year and a half to 2 years regarding their communication with my mother and i. they have either phoned us, texted, emailed, or written a letter or card to us.
the conversation has been good, and on any topic that comes to mind.
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Hi Friends, I have not been on this board in awhile, and I would like to get some thoughts from some of you. I have noticed a change within my 4 siblings in approximately the last year and a half to 2 years regarding their communication with my Mother and I. They have either phoned us, texted, emailed, or written a letter or card to us. The conversation has been good, and on any topic that comes to mind. But the question I ask is: Why would they want to talk their brother or mother who is no longer a part of the organization? What has changed that now ALLOWS them to communicate with us when it was not acceptable?
When I use to attend as a young boy and for many years afterward, we were always COMMANDED that you were not to associate with family members that were DA or disfellowshipped or no longer a part of the organization. We were taught that people of that sort along with non witnesses would be destroyed in the END, if they did not change their ways, in other words, if you're not a witness in the sense of the word, you would be destroyed.
What has God asked of us, but to Love him, worship him, and honor his Son. He does not speak things and then change his mind as the organization continually does week after week. The society would pull scriptures out to explain why you should not have anything to do with your family that is not part of the organization. The RULES and REGULATIONS were applied in such a way that God was speaking to the GB, and they would speak it to us. Now it appararently it seems fine to communicate with us, because God changed his mind. What scriptures do they use now to counter the so-called scriptures they used before? Has God changed his mind again? I hardly think so. They have abused his name and his Son so badly, that God has nothing to do with them.
What is really bothersome to my folks and me, is the attitude of ignoring us, no communication, no family reunions, or getting together, and my parents having no association with the grand kids who are grown and married now, and no concern of any sort to show GENIUNE AFFECTION AND LOVE. While they have started to open up and become more communicative, they have not addressed or asked for forgiveness for the disregard for the many decades of pain and grief, and we're suppose to just forget about that. That's the part that bothers us.
As my mother very wisely pointed out. "If Jehovah is working on them, which in our opinion he is, then we should be patient with him, and see it how it works out."
So maybe this is something that is changing for others as well. Just look at all the changes that have been made in the past 3 years. (No beards, No more service time, meetings that don't involve heavy learning but has become so childlike without meat, and those ZOOM meetings, now thats got to be fun. No dress up and relax in the lazyboy with a drink, and the stupidity of counting your 10 minutes a month or whatever it is, using tablets to spread the message of hope instead of the bible, and many other changes that have been made so that MEETING ATTENDANCE can improve.) Well, the meeting attendance is'nt working.
It seems that worshipping God has become cheapened, and its quite sad. I am glad to be free from all this since the mid 80's, it is nowhere the same organization that I was in. I am sad that so many continually suffer. And I hope that things will get drastically worse so that people will wake up and realize how far they have come from the real message.
Happy Trails to all,
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Gog of Magog
by Truth and Justice incan someone explain or produce any information about what the new views are about the subject of gog of magog.
apparently, it has caused a stir and i like to know a little bit about it.
especially, when i had a brother who hasn’t talked to me in quite a while, starts talking about gog.
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Hi you all, Those who responded to my post, I want to thank you. It’s always good to get a variety of opinions to come up with a resolve to a question. And I think what’s funny is that everything you all said will probably be obsolete because A NEW LIGHT AS APPEARED IN THEIR THINKING.
I would like to recognize the individuals: Smiles, Jeffry, Island Man. I have extended my research into the matter, thank you again.
I would also like to make a very strong opinion. When a Witness wanted to discuss a chapter in Daniel, and I believe if not mistaken, it was chapter 11. She was telling me all the societies teaching in this chapter. What was so striking was she came up with names of individuals (regards to the characters in the chapter) that were NOT EVEN MENTIONED IN THE CHAPTER OF THE BIBLE.
If it isn’t in the scriptures then why are these people adding to Gods word, not good.
I questioned this persons intellect and could not believe she could come up with this on her own, but when I went to the INTERNET, and punched in the chapter in Daniel, her letter to me ABOUT HER UNDERSTANDING was almost IDENTICAL TO WHAT WAS ON THE INTERNET .
And this seems to be an ongoing thing with the WTS instead of sticking strictly to the scriptures. As they say now, but, but, but, we got to obey they are Jehovahs representative. Very disturbing.
Anyway, Happy Trails to all…….
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Gog of Magog
by Truth and Justice incan someone explain or produce any information about what the new views are about the subject of gog of magog.
apparently, it has caused a stir and i like to know a little bit about it.
especially, when i had a brother who hasn’t talked to me in quite a while, starts talking about gog.
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Hi To All,
Can someone explain or produce any information about what the new views are about the subject of Gog of Magog. Apparently, it has caused a stir and I like to know a little bit about it. Especially, when I had a brother who hasn’t talked to me in quite a while, starts talking about Gog. Apparently they, the watchtower society had a view for over a century and now changed its view for new light.
Any light on this subject would be great and appreciated.
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What is the strangest book or craziest book the JWs have ever printed?
by blownaway inwhat do you think the crazies or strangest book they ever printed is?.
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The most despicable and disgusting book was the book called in short “The youth book”, where there was some chapters dealing with how a baby is born and if I’m not mistaken, how you have sex. Really! In this day and age, do we need to know? More gratification for the society, it has nothing to do with Christ and his teachings, how would that “incite to love and fine works.”
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I can’t find it!
by Truth and Justice ini need some serious help on something that i read here on this board, and so i am going to do my best to explain what i’m looking for.
i need this, so i can’t share with my brother who is still in.. it has to do with the organization saying in affect that each member in the congregation has the right to decide for themselves what they choose to do, (that is whether they choose to be apart of the organization without repercussions) and that they would not think of interfering with our own conscience, and that if they chose otherwise that it would be their own decision.. now some might think that the society wouldn’t write something like that, but they did, and i read it, and after reading it, i said to myself “they don’t follow this, they never have.” .
if you could locate this for me, i would be very grateful!.
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Thank you all for your help!
Krismalone, I will look up that in the proclaimers book if I can locate online.
I hope I will find more on this, seem like they had said something more additional in the last 5-7 years.
you don’t need to google anything, just come straight to this board, and youll get the answers.